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Carland Shreds Her Credibility On National TV

During ABC’s broadcast of Q&A, ‘Live From Melbourne’ 26-March-2009 , Susan Carland, an Australian-born Anglo Muslim and wife of Waleed Aly, former president of the Islamic Council Of Victoria, was asked about the ‘rejectionist’ stance of the Muslim community i.e. that Islam prohibits Muslims from integrating into any non-Muslim society.

Andrew Bolt drew Ms. Carland’s attention to an interview of hers with Malaysia’s Star newspaper in which Ms Carland commented that converts to Islam are pressured to immediately dispense with non-Muslim friends and are bombarded with all manner of regulations to which they are told must immediately adhere.

Ms. Carland responded that those Muslims applying such pressure are in the minority of Muslims, while Andrew Bolt disagreed saying Ms. Carland herself referred to a normative rejectionist, separatist attitude amongst mainstream Muslims.

Ms. Carland then said that Bolt had probably read a badly translated version of her interview.

Unfortunately for Ms. Carland’s credibility, the Star newspaper is an English language newspaper. Bolt was not reading a translation, he was reading the article in English as it was originally published.

Here are Ms. Carland’s comments from the Q&A transcript:

ANDREW BOLT: [...] There’s specifically something in the community itself, as well, and I think, to be honest, you mentioned this yourself in an interview with the Malaysian Star Newspaper only a couple of years ago, where you said within the community, being a new convert from Christianity, you face the calls, from within the community, you shouldn’t do this and you shouldn’t do that and you shouldn’t make friends with people who weren’t Muslim and you should withdraw from society and everything that was haram and you said this was a problem for you and I think that’s an acknowledgement there is, in fact, a problem within the Muslim community, a rejectionist strand, which is what makes this different.

[...]

SUSAN CARLAND: The quick response would be absolutely there are people, a very small minority of people, within the Muslim community that are reluctant to engage with the wider community, but this is more…

ANDREW BOLT: You put it as a majority in this interview and, excuse me, I just read it again.

SUSAN CARLAND: I said the majority of Muslims reject friendships with…well, I’m afraid that that…

ANDREW BOLT: You did.

SUSAN CARLAND: Well, I’m afraid that’s just not correct.

ANDREW BOLT: Well, you said it there and you…

SUSAN CARLAND: Maybe your translation from the Malay is not…

ANDREW BOLT: It was an English language newspaper.

Islam Is Embarassed About Itself

Ms. Carland’s reflexive use of ‘translation difficulties’ is a typical Muslim strategy for deflecting inquiry by non-Muslims into embarassing aspects of Islam such as its treatment of women, death penalty for converting out of Islam and its anti-historical assertions of ‘fact’ e.g. that Alexander The Great was a Muslim prophet.

Here is an example of Sheikh Hilaly Of Lakemba appealing to ‘translation difficulties’ over a sermon he gave in Lebanon in 2004 praising the September 11 massacre and Jihad in general.

Bolt caught Carland on the hop with his reference to her Star interview, and Carland being unwilling to admit that she herself, a Muslim, had criticised the mainstream Muslim rejectionist attitude to non-Muslim society, she reflexively reached for the old canard ‘translation difficulties’ as a means of deflecting criticism of Islam.

Muslims like Ms. Carland are aware that the truth about Islam is generally unpalatable to Western minds, hence she attempted to conceal the truth about Islam, in this case its rejection of conformity to generally accepted Westen norms. This concealment of truth about Islam in defence of Islam is known as Taqqiya and is a standard Islamic practice.

It is an insidious philosphy indeed that permits concealment and distortion of its own beliefs in order to make it acceptable to others.

Islam is embarassed about itself.

Carland’s Star Interview

Here is an excerpt from Carland’s interview in the Malaysian Star newspaper.

Speaking at a dinner talk during a conference organised by the Muslim Professionals Forum and the Women, Family and Community Development Ministry, Carland, who was named Australian Muslim of the Year in 2004, was brutally honest about the treatment of converts at the hands of “born” Muslims.

“Lifting the Veil” (as her talk was aptly titled), what she had to say certainly made many cringe.

Barely have the last words of the shahada (proclamation of faith) left the lips of new converts, she said, they find themselves bombarded with rules to adhere to.

The list of unreasonable pressures on converts includes telling converts to leave their so-called haram jobs immediately, even if the person had no other source of income.

The newbies are asked to give up hobbies like painting, photography, dancing or playing instruments. They’re advised to move out and sever ties with their kafir (infidel) family and non-Muslim friends, while female converts are urged to get married as soon as possible.

They are often expected to give up their own cultures and take on Arab, sub-continental, Malay or other cultures because these are deemed to be more “Islamic”.

Carland, a lecturer at Monash University in Melbourne, described these demands as not only unreasonable but also “very dangerous”.

To summarize Carland, the mainstream Muslim community, in her experience, bombards new converts with reams of regulations trying to force them to sever ties with friends and family, drop their hobbies, give up their only source of income and abandon their own culture, Carland describes this as ‘unreasonable’ and ‘very dangerous’.

She then lied to Bolt on ABC’s Q&A on two counts, saying that only a minority in the Muslim community were unreasonable when in fact she had described the mainsteam attitude and that in any case Bolt was labouring under a badly translated version of her interview from the Malay, whereas the Star is in fact an English-language newspaper.

Carland On The Muslim Community’s Attitude To Converts

In her Star interview, Carland went on to strongly criticise the Muslim community’s attitude to converts, saying that they were made to feel inferior and that they were degraded, insulted, ignored, shouted at and excluded and that their reputation was often impugned by gossip in order to control their behaviour.

From her interview again:

Carland also takes the Muslim community to task [...] converts were often made to feel inferior by those born Muslims

A practising Muslim herself for years, she finds it maddening whenever “born” Muslims ask her to recite verses from the Quran to prove that she is really one, and knows enough to pray.

Such encounters are degrading and condescending. How would anyone here feel if I were to ask her to recite some Quranic verses for me to prove her Muslim-ness? Obviously it would be quite insulting.”

Female converts report being shouted out, criticised and, worse, simply ignored by both other women and men, the first time they nervously enter a mosque. Often they report leaving in tears,” she disclosed.

[...]

As for the lot of women, she told how gossip was often used, successfully, to control them.

Carland On Islam And Youth

The general misery of the Muslim existence is epitomised by Carland in the attitudes of Muslims toward their youth:

Often the only interaction young people seem to have with the religion is being told what they cannot do. Don’t listen to music – it’s haram. Don’t have a boyfriend – it’s haram. Stop showing your hair – haram, haram, haram.

“You don’t have to just sit in your room and recite the Quran and that is the sole existence of your life. You can still come out and have a good time, within a certain framework.”

Carland On The Anti-Intellectual Nature Of Islam

In further comments, Carland admits that intellectual inquiry is unwelcome within Islam. The normal questions of converts are ignored and they are made to feel that some things should not be mentioned – a message which Carland herself has learned by the evidence of her attempt to deny to Bolt that she ever made these comments in the first place.

Converts often have a challenging mind, which is one of the factors that made them Muslims in the first place. Sometimes, having someone listen could be the last thing that helps these people hold on, she said.

“Sometimes just being able to say some things and getting them out is enough. Hopefully they will come out the other side with their faith stronger than ever.

In Favour Of Carland

In Carland’s favour, she does not endorse the general attitudes of Muslims that she discussed with the Star newspaper and she wants those things to change.

However, her inability to be truthful about Muslim attitudes to non-Muslim society and her reflexive use of ‘bad translation’ as a mechanism for deflecting inquiry and criticism of Islam shows she has learned rather too well how to be a ‘good Muslim’.

Carland cannot be trusted on Islam.

Taqiyya

Carland’s defence of Islam through deceit is an example of Taqqiya, or what the geat Islamic theologian Imam Abu Hammid Ghazali called (to paraphrase) ‘to achieve a praiseworthy aim through lying’

Quoting the Imam Ghazali via Islam Watch:

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it.

When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible.” (Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, The Reliance of the Traveller, translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, Amana publications, 1997, section r8.2, page 745)

For those unaware, ‘Reliance Of The Traveller’ is an Islamic text of unimpeachable authority and has been ceritified by Al-Azhar University of Cairo, simply the greatest centre of learning in the Islamic world, kind of an Islamic Oxford or Cambridge, but devoted to Qu’ranic understanding.

The full article in Islamic Watch Understanding Taqiyya ― Islamic Principle of Lying for the Sake of Allah includes an example of Keyser Trad employing Taqqiya.

Muslims are free to abandon promises and go back on their words whenever circumstances change and a praiseworthy objective presents itself. This is from the example of Mohammed himself. Of course, the defence of Islam is a praiseworthy objective:

Bukhari Vol 5: 668 “Narrated Zahdam:
So I went to the Prophet and said, “O Allah’s Apostle ! You took an oath that you would not give us anything to ride, but you have given us.” He said, “Yes, for if I take an oath and later I see a better solution than that, I act on the later and gave the expiation of that oath”

Here is another informative article on Taqiyya, “‘Taqiyya': How Islamic Extremists Deceive The West” located here.

It includes another example of Taqiyya by Keyser Trad, spokesperson for Sheikh Hilaly of the Lakemba Mosque and, at that time, Mufti Of Australian Muslims.

Some quotes by Muslim theologians on Taqqiya from this latter article follow. Feel free to Google:

“Al Taqiyya is with the tongue only; not the heart. A believer can make any statement as long as the ‘heart is comfortable …”; “God gave the believers freedom of movement by takiyya; therefore conceal thyself …”; “Takiyya is a cloak for the believer: he who has no religion has no takiyya, associate your opponents only outwardly and oppose them inwardly”.

Related terms include: protection of the secret (hifz-al sirr), secrecy (katm or kitman), deception (making something ambiguous) and hiding the real state of one’s convictions (talbis). Early Muslim sects, the Najadt and the Kharjites, referred to particular regions outside their communities as “the abode of dissimulation” (dar al taqiyya).

Allah Himself Lies

In fact Allah himself lies on purpose to Muslims, for their own good to achieve praiseworthy aims. Here is Allah’s own admission of the fact of lying via Mohammed in the Qu’ran 8:43:

Remember in thy dream God showed them to thee as few: if He had shown them to thee as many, ye would surely have been discouraged, and ye would surely have disputed in (your) decision; but God saved (you): for He knoweth well the (secrets) of (all) hearts.

Carland lies to defend Islam. This is accepted practice in Islam as one would expect from a religion whose God itself lies.

Fatima Al-Mutairi was killed by her family for becoming a Christian. Here is the
poem she wrote and published on the Internet while locked in her room by her brother waiting for her family to decide her fate.

And We For the Sake of Christ All Things Bear

by Fatima Al-Mutairi

May the Lord Jesus guide you, Oh Muslims
And enlighten your hearts that you might love others

The forum does not revile the Master of the prophets
It is for the display of truth, and for you it was revealed
This is the truth which you do not know

What we profess are the words of the Master of the prophets
We do not worship the cross, and we are not possessed
We worship the Lord Jesus, the Light of the worlds

We left Mohammed, and we do not follow in his path
We followed Jesus Christ, the Clear Truth

Truly, we love our homeland, and we are not traitors
We take pride that we are Saudi citizens
How could we betray our homeland, our dear people?
How could we, when for death – for Saudi Arabia—we stand ready?
The homeland of my grandfathers, their glories, and odes— for it I am writing
And we say, “We are proud, proud, proud to be Saudis”

We chose our way, the way of the rightly guided
And every man is free to choose any religion
Be content to leave us to ourselves to be believers in Jesus
Let us live in grace before our time comes

There are tears on my cheek, and Oh! the heart is sad
To those who become Christians, how you are so cruel!
And the Messiah says, “Blessed are the Persecuted”
And we for the sake of Christ all things bear

What is it to you that we are infidels?
You do not enter our graves, as if with us buried

Enough – your swords do not concern me, not evil nor disgrace
Your threats do not trouble me, and we are not afraid
And by God, I am unto death a Christian—Verily
I cry for what passed by, of a sad life

I was far from the Lord Jesus for many years
Oh History record! and bear witness, Oh Witnesses!
We are Christians – in the path of Christ we tread

Take from me this word, and note it well
You see, Jesus is my Lord, and He is the Best of protectors
I advise you to pity yourself, to clap your hands in mourning
See your look of ugly hatred

Man is brother to man, Oh learned ones
Where is the humanity, the love, and where are you?

As to my last words, I pray to the Lord of the worlds
Jesus the Messiah, the Light of Clear Guidance
That He change notions, and set the scales of justice aright
And that He spread Love among you, Oh Muslims

Such A Religion Cannot Come From God

The martyred poet gives an insight into the allegations against her and to the
attitudes of Saudi Muslims in general toward Jesus, Christians and Christianity.

Her question, and mine, is ‘why does Islam need to kill those who convert to
other faiths’. It is hard to believe that such a religion could ever come from God.

The allegations against Fatimah are that she became a follower Christian (this is enough for death), but also, concomitant to this, that she worships the cross, reviles Mohammed, that she is possessed and that she is a national traitor to Saudi Arabia (her longest stanza).

Of course all that is fabrication, mere window dressing, gilding the lily of her real and only crime which is that she was once a Muslim and is now a follower of Jesus.

In the Hadith of Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57, authoritative for all Muslims:

Narrated ‘Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to ‘Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn ‘Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'”

Wikipedia says on Apostasy In Islam:

The four major Sunni Madh’hab (schools of Islamic jurisprudence) and the Twelver Shi’a Jafari madhab agree that a sane adult male apostate must be executed. They differ on the punishment for a female apostate – some schools calling for death and others for imprisonment.

This is why converts to the path of Jesus in Saudi Arabia pray the conversion prayer with their own hands around their throat, symbolic of the Sharia penalty, decapitation, should they be arrested for the ‘crime’ of Apostasy. They know that their faith is a death sentence, as Fatima did (‘swords’)

I met an ex-Muslim. He told me His sister said ‘We should kill you’. So, his family know what Islam decrees. They just had the fundamental humanity to ignore it.

‘And every man is free to choose any religion’.

Fatima is amazed and shocked, as I am, that the Muslim faith is so totalitarian that it cannot tolerate any conversion. ‘What is it to you that we are infidels’.

She tries to reason with her family from the Qu’ran that diversity of faith is permitted by referring to Quran 2:256 “There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way.” – in her words ‘And every man is free to choose any religion’.

Fatima may not have realised that Surah 2 was revealed in the early part of Mahammed’s career when he was militarily weak. No such option was permitted by Muhammad once he had power over the destiny of subjugated populations.

But Fatima certainly did realised she would be killed, hence her martydom poem, published on the Internet.

See here, here and here

What The Learned Do Not Know

Fatima, in Jesus, has discovered that God is love and a good portion of her poem is a prayer for Muslims to recognise and admit that love is absent fom Islam. She notes, in her own family, the cruelty they visit on her, their looks of ‘ugly hatred’ and their ‘threats’, their general malice, for which she advises they ‘pity’ and ‘mourn’ for themselves.

Fatima’s wish for Muslims, the thought she leaves them with even as they kill her, is that they too experience the love that is from God of which they have no experience.

I pray to the Lord of the worlds
Jesus the Messiah, the Light of Clear Guidance
That He change notions, and set the scales of justice aright
And that He spread Love among you, Oh Muslims

Fatima’s father is an Iman. It is to him specifically, amongst the ranks of the learned in general, that she instructs in the elementary truths of humanity and chides for moral blindness.

Man is brother to man, Oh learned ones
Where is the humanity, the love, and where are you?

Illumination

I enjoyed Fatima’s expressions of the spirituality of Jesus in Islamic phraseology e.g ‘Best Of Protectors’, ‘Light of Clear Guidance’, ‘for you it was revealed’, ‘bear witness oh witnesses’.

I hope that her martyrdom poem achieves her prayerful intent, the illumination of many in darkness.

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